Talk:Vinnie & Spike/@comment-74.120.190.101-20121219151022/@comment-Epenow-20121219212857

Ok so after playing with this naut i think i can offer some solid advise.

1 this charecter can be pretty bad if you dont have the right upgrades in your load out so dont try him if you missing say rubber mask wich is a essential upgrade for this naut.

now when there are enmy nauts around hover above and shoot with your bubble gun if they come up to see whats going on bolt skyward and keep then out of range as your first upgrade i recomend getting spike dive and ramoona and the shark this will allow you to hovar above enemies and shoot at them will they cant shoot at you if they finally reach you you can just spike div through and get away

when the enemy awesomenjats are gone push the creep waves and dont be afrain to use your spike dash to do it. using the ocmbo of dashing with sea horse head poke screen with rubber mask and then dashing again can do MASSIVE dmage MASSIVE up getting the damage upgrade for your dash nd bubbe gun should be enough to take any naut down or send /him/her teleporting out. for this strategy i must recomend the bubble shield it will keep any clunks foimr sanrring any ganws fomr slowing and poisining and relly let you get a clean egt awya most of the time. if you can get to the enemy base you can use vinne and spike very simmilar to the wya you cna use leon to sneak to their base and attack whne there gone this works with all basses just fly up to the rafters and waiut a minute or two then jump down get some damage and fly back up befor anyone sees you if someine inturupst spike dash thorugh them smoke clud them and dash up and fly to th top for this i wpuld recomend the larger smoke screen as then they will not be abke to see wich sdirection you wne tand you mostlilley not see you up in the cornor of the roof of their base.

I would not recomend the speed upgrade as vinne and spkie are really onlly slow w=hen walking and the upgrade made almost no differenc form what i could tell

iw ould recomend some kind of health upgrade not counting solar crab burgers since you have to remeber this guy is a cross betwoeen froggy G and leon neither of wich have much helth to begin with. and if your in a tight spot in the jungel spike dashing into a load of creeps can be a EXXELENT way of grabing ful health gettting out of the reaches of the enemy if you then rubber mask smoke screen with the lrage version you can then keep them blinded for a good amount of time spike dashinto them again all while pelting them with bubbles :3

One thing i found that helped me with spike dash was that i was treting it to much like froggy Gs splash dash it is NOT a reliable way of chasing down someone and it is WAY shoorter than froggy Gs dash this should be used when some one is fomr full health to middle healht and anywere in between. Now this can still be an effective way of grabbing someone who is close and is low on healht but dont ocunt on it!'

another thing for spike idve is that with out the range upgrade its almost entirlly usless its like froggy Gs splash dash with out stun so i allways grab that in my second shop trip Now i have notcied that vinne tends to do well earlly game take advanteg fo this simple kitting enimety while they are above can be SUPER effective earlly game the onlly peopl i would watch out for when your a flying ace is othe vinnes and spime clunk and leon, Now dome of you mya point out yuri but i dissagree the inlly way hes going to be able ti husrt you when your dkeing it out in the air is his laser wich makes him imoble and mines wich are not going to be easyt o hit you eith with the added range of your bubble gin and the finish pike dash move with a retrun dash tahanks to rubber mask smoke screen yuri is one dead monkey.

onec you have your bubble shield smoke scrren your preety much safe to do a dive bomb on the enemy smokse scrren dash out and sly away the one thing you must ALLWAYS wtach out for is leon, leon is the BANE of your igsintance as vinne and spike his toung sntach cna easilly pull you out of they sky he can jump and toung will lcosked to get you while your teleporting in the sky (a good strategy) if you see a leon and your alone RUN you should never be alpone as vinne and spie fi there is a leon admitadllly i am being a bit over apranoied but its true watch out for his toung

Now for osme survivalbillity tips

some time a great way to get away is to just fly up into one of the top corrners of the mp wait for them to go away and then teleopr twhile falling wich will help your chances a good bit this strategy works really well to

I will finish this later as its allready egtting long   sorry for any spelling and grammer errors