Talk:Legendgreat's Hero Tier List/@comment-CameraFan-20130827090945

Before I say anything, can you seperate your speculations into T1, T2 and T3 just for clarity?

Incoming possible wall of text.

Generally you underrate kills too much. As well as recieving solar, it takes the enemy out of the game for a while. VERY useful.

Gnaw - I can understand why you'd put him as top tier if you play only pubs. He can win the game by himself VS un-coordinated teams. But this is not what you balance a team game around. If you can get your teammates to help you, you can kill a weedling nest VERY easily. Gnaw also does not have a lot of brawling power, he has absolutely no reliable burst, and his spit, while ticking up to a very good amount, can be countered simply by getting a health pack or a creep. Regen also hepls with this, but not as much now with spit hitting for 7 damage and regen being nerfed.

Coco - First of all, the general consensus is that Coco is the most well balanced character in the game. She has a lackluster earlygame. BL, while being very powerful in the right hands especially with Thunder Striker, is the slowest and thus most easy to dodge projectile in the game. Coco's max burst isn't very high (67) and also her prices are fairly high. Like Leon, she is a carry. If you let her get to her lategame, in contrast to her earlygame, she will absolutely dominate you, although like I said before she has to get there first.

Voltar - Voltar is deadweight if his team doesn't know how to work with him. He simply cannoy push solo because of his lack of good damage and poor mobility, so is prone to ganks. On the other hand though, give him a good team and he will be a great asset. Like the other supports, Voltar relies on a team, but in his case much more so than the other ones. Voltar is better in coordinated team fights rather than pub battles.

Lonestar - I completely agree. While he is better in pubs than coordinated matches, similarly to Gnaw, he is a jack-of-all-trades, except he can do all of them very well. He can brawl with missiles and facemite, he can push with Dynamite for clearing droids and a gun build for absolutely melting turrets. Bull, though, takes a fair bit of skill, but can be very well used for pushing someone back into your team or a turret and setting them up to be killed.

Derpl. Derpl is very strong. Snare Traps have a great snare time, 95 damage nuke, even with 50 at base, is really nothing to laugh at. He can kill droid waves easily. Cat Derpl, while being lategame and not a great idea to rush into, has a great DPS and makes it easier to clear droids without wasting a Siege Mode/Nuke cooldown.

Skolldir - Skolldir is pretty high tier, mainly because of all of his crutches. He's designed to be a great 1v1er and initiator, and he succeeds at that very well. The only things I would change are some of his crutches (range on a melee attack? nty gtfo)

Raelynn - Raelynn, I feel, is in a decent spot right now but slightly underpowered. She has good AA damage while being expensive to build into, Time Rift is also powerful when maxed and is also fairly dear to build into. Snipe is now not a "spam every 10 seconds and kill everyone on screen" ability, but I feel it was nerfed too much. The charging time needs to be decreased then she's in a good spot.

Vinnie - Vinnie's burst is the only problem. With the innate piercing on Bubble Gun it is good for clearing droids, so is Spike Dive becaise of the relatively low cooldown. He is the cheapest character to max out, and gets his burst too early while also having as many ways to gain solar as Raelynn who is a lot more expensive. He really just needs the burst toned down.

Ayla - Ayla is a fairly well balanced character but slightly OP, this is because of Rip Apart Bear. This upgrade lets you have a 30% damage reduction shield while in Rage. While Ayla is meant to be a high risk-high reward character, this upgrade takes out too much of the risk from using Rage. Other than that, she's good, and not hard to deal with if you know how.

Clunk - Clunk's pushing power against turrets is really good, but not so much against droids. Snarebite is a near-guaranteed kill on anyone not called Froggy G, and I feel it is his main problem. Snarebite is why Clunk is really top-tier. 0.1 seconds to escape a snaresplode is too damn short. He should really have a stage of it removed, and then he will be a LOT more balanced.

Genji - His AA is pretty good. While not having as much DPS as the others, it has innate piercing for droid clearing and as well as that a good Genji will be able to disregard the low DPS and still melt away an enemy's health. Cocoon is a great ganking tool but requires at least some team synergy to pull off. Monarch Blessing is where Genji shines. Up to 50% shield, a 42 HP burst heal, extra speed... You have it all, and it's basically an instawin button for teamfights.

Froggy G - No. Froggy still has insane burst and manuverability, good DPS and more ways to not die than you can shake a stick at. The difference between Froggy G now and Froggy G before is that he actually takes skill now, which is a good thing. A bad Froggy will actually do badly unlike before. He's still powerful, but I'm not sure whether the problem lies in his extremely high burst damage or anything else.

Yuri - He is in a good spot right now. Mines can be used well in teamganks and teamfights, Super Gank Bubble 9000 is still viable to build into, except not as godly as in 1.15. Mines are absolutely amazing for clearing lanes, and laser is good as well.

Leon - You're calling Leon bad from seeing inexperienced Leon play. Only bad Leons wait until they can steal a kill. That's called not contributing and being deadweight. Magnet Tongue is potentially the best farming upgrade in the game. Clones, while overrated, are good for pushing turrets. He can also deal respectable damage to turrets with just his blade and when fed he is the scariest thing on the battlefield. Leon is fine except for a few things need toning down, such as slow blade.

Just my two cents on this and my responses to your tierings.